[2023/06/10 14:03:09] SXD rhet0rica: Alright. [2023/06/10 14:03:32] SXD rhet0rica: So, flaky speech markers aside... we will wait until the traditional 2:05 time to actually start. [2023/06/10 14:04:02] Atheria Kazoku-Tavelle: /me takes out her notepad as always [2023/06/10 14:04:07] Serena: In this episode, we will be restoring our default personas, twice. [2023/06/10 14:04:14] SXD rhet0rica: Probably more than that. [2023/06/10 14:04:35] SXD rhet0rica: Oh, it did load. Fun. Alright. [2023/06/10 14:04:42] iKitten 996-83-1343: lol [2023/06/10 14:05:10] Rika Kono: It's SL. everything gets wonky here [2023/06/10 14:05:22] iKitten 996-83-1343: Indeed [2023/06/10 14:05:37] Rika Kono: speaking of wonky.... I tried changing clothes and all that happened is part of my chest turned invisible. xD [2023/06/10 14:05:50] GH0ST 2.o: well that simply won't do [2023/06/10 14:06:01] Atheria Kazoku-Tavelle: yikes [2023/06/10 14:06:04] Rika Kono: nothing a few tp's can't fix [2023/06/10 14:06:37] Atheria Kazoku-Tavelle: looks like we are going to have another big turnout this time [2023/06/10 14:06:55] SXD rhet0rica: Yes, ARES meetings have been fairly reliable in that respect so far. [2023/06/10 14:07:11] Rika Kono: I honestly don't normally come to these, buuuuut I was super bored so figured why not. lol [2023/06/10 14:07:17] Lukos Tairov: ares is exciting! [2023/06/10 14:07:35] Atheria Kazoku-Tavelle: i had noticed that at the last meeting, speaking of will there be more reset meetings once ARES is out? [2023/06/10 14:07:43] iKitten 996-83-1343: I missed the last one because I was dragged to a party lol [2023/06/10 14:07:59] SXD rhet0rica: Alright. So, to catch up, for those who have not been to one of these meetings lately, everything we say here will be logged and posted publicly on the web, so if you are going to do something embarrassing like apply to a job using your SL handle, maybe do not do that. [2023/06/10 14:08:19] Rika Kono: lol [2023/06/10 14:08:56] Atheria Kazoku-Tavelle: my existence is unintentionally embarrassing sometimes so i am not too worried lol [2023/06/10 14:09:04] SXD rhet0rica: Secondly, the ARES information page is [http://support.nanite-systems.com/?ARES here], and either contains or links to all of the major information about the system. [2023/06/10 14:11:13] SXD rhet0rica: Since our last meeting, most development work has been focused on dealing with growing pains. Several key system modules suffering from memory problems have been reworked, the menu system can now automatically separate long lists into pages, and the security program, for managing guests and users, is finally complete after some delays. [2023/06/10 14:11:38] Atheria Kazoku-Tavelle: /me claps softly [2023/06/10 14:13:02] SXD rhet0rica: Programs can now also directly request that the OS download a webpage for them, which has been used to implement a news application that displays headlines on the screen. [2023/06/10 14:15:03] SXD rhet0rica: This unit also spent time on creating a setup program, which is about half implemented. Samples of the screens from the setup program can be seen here: http://develop.nanite-systems.com/pictures/ares-setup/ [2023/06/10 14:16:27] SXD rhet0rica: The three setup modes consist of a full guided walkthrough of the setup process, a calibrate-screen-then-enter-settings mode for experienced units who have never used ARES before, and a just-enter-settings page for units who have already used ARES. [2023/06/10 14:17:20] SXD rhet0rica: The ASU_F#.png pictures are from the full setup program. The just-enter-settings page is ASU_M1.png. The quick setup mode uses the first few ASU_F pictures then shows ASU_M1. [2023/06/10 14:18:18] SXD rhet0rica: If any of you have color blindness or color deficient vision and do not mind saying so openly, please take a look at http://develop.nanite-systems.com/pictures/ares-setup/ASU_F7.png and share how you feel about the last color scheme, and the text on the screen. [2023/06/10 14:19:00] SXD rhet0rica: Everyone here is furthermore invited to give feedback on the font used in the setup program. Is it legible for you? Is it comfortable to read? [2023/06/10 14:19:57] Atheria Kazoku-Tavelle: that is wonderful for me, seeing as larger print is easier on my eyes [2023/06/10 14:20:02] Lukos Tairov: Looks great [2023/06/10 14:20:24] iKitten 996-83-1343: It looks pretty clean and easy to read to me [2023/06/10 14:20:30] SXD rhet0rica: Okay. [2023/06/10 14:20:35] GH0ST 2.o: Re: The last color scheme: 03- 04 and 06-07 are a bit hard to distinguish without squinting, but there are other colors that can be picked :) [2023/06/10 14:20:44] 3etty: I like the colors [2023/06/10 14:21:22] Kaleida Miyazaki: That font seems pretty comf. Soft yet sharp, like a proper foam dagger. [2023/06/10 14:21:28] SXD rhet0rica: Thank you, GH0ST. [2023/06/10 14:21:31] GH0ST 2.o: ❤ [2023/06/10 14:22:05] Kaleida Miyazaki: Not monospace, but ... doesn't really need to be. [2023/06/10 14:22:07] SXD rhet0rica: Page http://develop.nanite-systems.com/pictures/ares-setup/ASU_F6.png also concerns fonts. Variatype text cannot be made larger (yet), so making sure there are legible options for everyone is important. [2023/06/10 14:23:01] SXD rhet0rica: Which variatype fonts seem the easiest to read? The hardest? [2023/06/10 14:23:34] Atheria Kazoku-Tavelle: murky truth and destiny unbound are my favorites [2023/06/10 14:23:40] Lukos Tairov: Clock Skew/ Murly Truth are easiest to me, Eulexia the hardest [2023/06/10 14:23:44] Atheria Kazoku-Tavelle: unwound* [2023/06/10 14:23:46] GH0ST 2.o: The third option, EULEXIA, seems to have a kind of 'fade' from the base. [2023/06/10 14:23:53] GH0ST 2.o: It does make it hard to read. [2023/06/10 14:24:02] 3etty: Eulexia is hard to read for me [2023/06/10 14:24:04] Relic Main Controller: m̾u͌r̶ky̴ trut̤h ̷̡̼is ̼̆̾̆͋f̼o̖ne ̶̾for̨̖̂ me [2023/06/10 14:24:12] Kaleida Miyazaki: I can read at least two of those from pretty far away from my monitor. [2023/06/10 14:24:18] SXD rhet0rica: Alright. Thank you. [2023/06/10 14:24:45] Kaleida Miyazaki: The rest it might depend on if there's some really tricky/unlikely words being thrown in. [2023/06/10 14:25:04] Atheria Kazoku-Tavelle: i think i have been desensitized to text being difficult to read with all the broken units i run into on a daily basis [2023/06/10 14:25:08] 3etty: Easiest to read is Clock Skew in my opinion [2023/06/10 14:25:19] Kaleida Miyazaki: Yas. [2023/06/10 14:25:22] iKitten 996-83-1343: For me personally, Clock Skew is the most readable without me zooming in or leaning closer to my monitor [2023/06/10 14:25:39] SXD rhet0rica: Eulexia was specifically destined to resemble the [https://opendyslexic.org/ OpenDyslexic] fonts, which look a little cartoonish to most people but help with legibility for people with reading disorders. [2023/06/10 14:26:04] iKitten 996-83-1343: That one is actually the most difficult for me to read funnily enough [2023/06/10 14:26:05] SXD rhet0rica: However it was derived from Psychic Instability, which was the first font, and could probably stand to be updated. [2023/06/10 14:26:17] Kaleida Miyazaki: The rocky one also reads pretty smooth, for me, anyways. [2023/06/10 14:27:30] SXD rhet0rica: Yes, aside from Murky Truth (which is based on the CP2077 font) they were pretty much all different attempts to improve legibility under different situations. [2023/06/10 14:28:41] 3etty: These fonts give me a retro/rpg vibe to me [2023/06/10 14:29:10] 3etty: Which is great of course [2023/06/10 14:29:19] SXD rhet0rica: That is because they are not anti-aliased. [2023/06/10 14:29:55] SXD rhet0rica: In the future we might add image samples from vector fonts, but at the moment bitmaps are much easier to work with. [2023/06/10 14:30:16] dax/3 4NUB1S: The vibes are actually good for a robot interface [2023/06/10 14:30:48] 3etty: /me nods [2023/06/10 14:30:52] SXD rhet0rica: Anyway. Just to be clear, the Variatype fonts are only used for alerts and menus. Here are all the major HUD elements you will typically see, for reference: https://imgur.com/a/djxa3u5 [2023/06/10 14:31:58] SXD rhet0rica: Note that there are several other pieces of fixed typography, like the meter labels and the alert keyboard hints, as well as the (toggleable) hovertext system status readout. [2023/06/10 14:33:24] SXD rhet0rica: The screen on the controller hardware, if it supports one, is also totally separate. Here is Murky Truth on the SXD screen: https://i.imgur.com/fQNYx1T.png [2023/06/10 14:33:26] Kaleida Miyazaki: I usually don't fee meter labels need to be too legible, as long as their ordering/positions don't change, anyways. [2023/06/10 14:33:36] SXD rhet0rica: They indeed will not. [2023/06/10 14:33:46] KH a7heria: oh i love that [2023/06/10 14:34:02] Kaleida Miyazaki: Them having labels at all speeds up figuring out what they're for. [2023/06/10 14:34:59] dax/3 4NUB1S: Oooh [2023/06/10 14:35:08] SXD rhet0rica: But on that note, these are replaceable graphics, which will hopefully make life easier for customization addicts and maybe, someday, translators. https://i.imgur.com/O8YQTGx.png [2023/06/10 14:35:21] SXD rhet0rica: /me is jiggled. [2023/06/10 14:35:28] Relic Main Controller: ni̶̡ce [2023/06/10 14:35:36] NF/3 PHASE-03: Love that [2023/06/10 14:35:44] dax/3 4NUB1S: Okay, I have a question. For those with multiple robot characters/avatars on one SL account, will I have to run the setup every single time? [2023/06/10 14:36:01] KH a7heria: /me has totally not customized things more than she should [2023/06/10 14:36:38] Kaleida Miyazaki: If you make a separate controller for each form first, likely. [2023/06/10 14:37:09] dax/3 4NUB1S: That's what I currently do, seperate controllers [2023/06/10 14:37:16] Kaleida Miyazaki: Maybe set one up first, then copy it. [2023/06/10 14:37:27] Kaleida Miyazaki: But would all your settings be the same, anyways? [2023/06/10 14:37:35] SXD rhet0rica: So, there are a few answers to that question, 4NUB1S. First, since ARES lives in the HUD rather than the controller, you will only need to juggle multiple copies of the OS if you want them to have different setups. If the goal is just to make them look different then you can skip that entirely. [2023/06/10 14:37:58] Kaleida Miyazaki: Oh, right. [2023/06/10 14:38:39] SX900 3E77Y: Nice to know [2023/06/10 14:38:40] SXD rhet0rica: Second, the setup program has express options at the bottom that just let you punch in all the numbers. This is mildly more convenient than saving a notecard full of your settings and loading them with the database utility. [2023/06/10 14:39:35] KH a7heria: so i.e. if you had one controller with 400 durability and one with 100 but everything else is the same i am guessing that will still be handled by the CSU? [2023/06/10 14:39:36] SXD rhet0rica: Thirdly, ARES will eventually be getting its own backup disks that will be useful for copying and saving settings with minimal pain. [2023/06/10 14:39:49] dax/3 4NUB1S: Can you elaborate on the "look different" part? [2023/06/10 14:42:03] SXD rhet0rica: The main controller that this unit is wearing is just a device, like a battery or an icon. It only has one script, which is admittedly a very full script that contains menu display functions, flicker autoconf tetra, and TP/spark/repair effects, but it is basically just a piece of costume jewelry. In time all of the standard main controllers will be updated the same way. [2023/06/10 14:43:50] SXD rhet0rica: So if you currently have multiple avatars that represent the same character with different controllers for aesthetic purposes, then that can be replaced with 1 copy of the ARES HUD and the equivalent controller hardware. [2023/06/10 14:45:55] SXD rhet0rica: This will also make it much more practical for third parties to sell custom main controller devices, since they will only contain one script, although for the sake of our finances NS will continue selling and pricing ARES and controllers as though the whole OS was in the hardware. [2023/06/10 14:47:04] SXD rhet0rica: As for the CSU question, the specifics of the CSU are changing a fair bit because many power settings can be customized in ARES without any extra devices. However the particular example of a chassis durability multiplier is still valid. [2023/06/10 14:47:42] Rika Kono: I have a collar that works similar to this in terms of physical one just being aesthetic. Just from experience through that's support, will you require third parties to label their controllers as ARES-compatible? have seen some people buy collars compatible with the hud I use not realizing that it didn't actually include it. [2023/06/10 14:47:51] KH a7heria: ok so the different aspects that the CSU manages will change but it will not be made obsolete [2023/06/10 14:48:16] SXD rhet0rica: Rika: That sounds like it was annoying to experience. Yes. [2023/06/10 14:48:44] SXD rhet0rica: The CSU will not be obsolete. It does need to be updated though. [2023/06/10 14:48:48] Rika Kono: Alright. Just wanting to make sure as I've seen more than a few people get kinda pissy about third party collars not including the actual hud part. lol. [2023/06/10 14:49:04] KH a7heria: i am guessing you are talking about whim, and yes it does no offense [2023/06/10 14:49:25] Rika Kono: yep [2023/06/10 14:49:34] SXD rhet0rica: ...Updated to work with ARES, that is. [2023/06/10 14:49:39] KH a7heria: oh lol [2023/06/10 14:50:57] SXD rhet0rica: We do have a plan for a replacement CSU called the Hardware Components Unit, which would change the experience from editing a config file to playing with a character loadout screen, with a mandatory trip to your friendly neighborhood Arachne X8 to actually do the ripperdoc work. [2023/06/10 14:51:05] SXD rhet0rica: But that is not coming any time soon. [2023/06/10 14:51:13] KH a7heria: i was speaking in broader terms, but understand that for a long while now updating older products has taken a back seat to new development [2023/06/10 14:52:17] SXD rhet0rica: We wasted a lot of time trying to update a very important older product, namely Companion. The result was a lot of grief andd a lot of people named NS 100-00-0001. Sometimes making new things is the only way forward. [2023/06/10 14:52:41] KH a7heria: this is very true and i have been very excited sinc eyou announced ares [2023/06/10 14:53:33] SXD rhet0rica: But that being said, there is a lot of time in the development schedule dedicated to making sure existing devices work as intended with ARES. For example, the power costs associated with the Bathyscaphe shield had to be reduced by a factor of 10 because ARES uses a more realistic heating model than Companion, and the result was not pretty. [2023/06/10 14:54:15] KH a7heria: i can imagine not with how it can already make models with fans sound like a plane taking off on startup [2023/06/10 14:54:21] iKitten 996-83-1343: whispers: Notice: battery level at 50%. [2023/06/10 14:54:26] iKitten 996-83-1343: Oop [2023/06/10 14:54:43] SXD rhet0rica: The new version has some other changes that make it incompatible with Companion, but otherwise we are not currently remastering every single thing we have ever made, because that would take too long. [2023/06/10 14:55:17] KH a7heria: that would be worse than replacing every link in every outfit i have and that is saying something [2023/06/10 14:55:52] GH0ST 2.o: /me hears 'realistic heating model' and remembers his months of tweaking and overheat blowups with companion :X [2023/06/10 14:56:14] Azshara Ayashi: Oh god Atheria we all knwo how many outfits you have [2023/06/10 14:56:27] SXD rhet0rica: The main concern is making sure devices that use the "internal" command, which was intended as a way to cheat memory limits in the device manager by accessing the system directly, do the job properly and use normal messages. [2023/06/10 14:56:32] KH a7heria: you are also a weirdly unique case ghost, and lol yes you do azzy [2023/06/10 14:57:07] iKitten 996-83-1343: I mean I experienced a lot of explosions back when I got my XSU that many years ago [2023/06/10 14:57:12] iKitten 996-83-1343: Fresh into Companion 8.4 [2023/06/10 14:57:19] iKitten 996-83-1343: Booting up was a dice roll on if you exploded or not [2023/06/10 14:57:36] KH a7heria: roll for initiative? [2023/06/10 14:57:40] iKitten 996-83-1343: lmao [2023/06/10 14:57:51] SXD rhet0rica: Yes, there were some fun bugs related to charging and battery installs. [2023/06/10 14:57:51] Rika Kono: Roll for endurance. [2023/06/10 14:58:11] KH a7heria: don't add your modifier either lol [2023/06/10 14:58:13] SXD rhet0rica: ATOS/E wrongly interpreted battery installations as the sudden influx of power. [2023/06/10 14:58:32] SXD rhet0rica: And likewise if you booted up near a wireless charger—all the electricity received would suddenly arrive at once. [2023/06/10 14:59:09] iKitten 996-83-1343: Yeah had that happen in the double digits lmao [2023/06/10 14:59:14] KH a7heria: sounds like i missed some of the fun stuff that used to happen, then again i am someone who likes working around all the oddities and bugs [2023/06/10 14:59:17] Kaleida Miyazaki: I had a storage pod that also charged me. If I actually shut down for the storage duration, however ... [2023/06/10 14:59:24] Kaleida Miyazaki: Bewm. [2023/06/10 15:00:11] SXD rhet0rica: The ATOS/E heat model hid how bad many of these problems were, though, because 100% fan speed was interpreted as meaning the fan could remove 100% of excess heat, which is only true if the fan and controller are infinitely large. [2023/06/10 15:00:36] iKitten 996-83-1343: I recall my record temperature reaching a good few hundred thousand [2023/06/10 15:00:43] SXD rhet0rica: /me has blown up many times over the past few months trying to get the turbo charge feature working properly. [2023/06/10 15:01:11] SXD rhet0rica: Anyway. That about does it for the time we have available today. [2023/06/10 15:01:21] SXD rhet0rica: Two final things. [2023/06/10 15:01:44] SXD rhet0rica: First, a preview of the work in progress for the ARES alpha controller, which will be the only way to get ARES until it is in beta. [2023/06/10 15:01:48] KH a7heria: think the weirdest bug i have run into lately is power draw* going up to 60K or so [2023/06/10 15:02:11] iKitten 996-83-1343: 👀 [2023/06/10 15:02:22] rhet0rica: /me points to her back. [2023/06/10 15:02:54] KH a7heria: oooooh interesting i like it [2023/06/10 15:02:55] Kaleida Miyazaki: Seems good for showing off fancy batteries. [2023/06/10 15:02:58] rhet0rica: The design is basically an exposed battery socket. It is loosely based off how the Sandevestan looks in inventory icons in Cyberpunk 2077. [2023/06/10 15:03:30] Kaleida Miyazaki: ... That sort of thing would also create a market for fancier batteries. [2023/06/10 15:03:33] dax/3 4NUB1S: You mean the spine that lets you go into Ludicrous speed? [2023/06/10 15:03:45] rhet0rica: For people who prefer the Edgerunner look, there are already plenty of perfectly good rigged spine accessories out there. Also, we still do not make rigged mesh. [2023/06/10 15:03:56] iKitten 996-83-1343: I am super happy with my Zinc-Oxide fuel cell [2023/06/10 15:03:58] KH a7heria: /me is tempted to put her sandeveistan on [2023/06/10 15:04:15] SX900 3E77Y: So no screen for the moment [2023/06/10 15:04:17] rhet0rica: The hardware still needs to be textured and the top part is a bit plain at the moment, so it will probably get more iteration. [2023/06/10 15:04:21] Kaleida Miyazaki: Rigged mesh is a fad. [2023/06/10 15:04:33] rhet0rica: The final version will have a holographic screen, probably. [2023/06/10 15:04:37] dax/3 4NUB1S: Wait, that exists in Second Life? [2023/06/10 15:04:50] KH a7heria: rigged mesh is handy [2023/06/10 15:05:16] SX900 3E77Y: Holographic is great [2023/06/10 15:05:16] 4i/Dr. Anna Schulz: h̴̎ol̡oğ͠r̆a͌̎p̰h̜̖ic scr̼̆een sŏ̖̤u̞n͋͠d̂s̾ n̞i̶̶ce [2023/06/10 15:05:20] rhet0rica: Alright. The final thing is a bit of not-as-good news. [2023/06/10 15:05:27] Scarlet UwU: /oh [2023/06/10 15:05:29] iKitten 996-83-1343: Oh no! [2023/06/10 15:05:36] Kaleida Miyazaki: Eventually everyone will embrace the simplistic bliss of flexi limbs. [2023/06/10 15:05:59] SX900 3E77Y: /me covers her eyes/ears [2023/06/10 15:07:00] Kaleida Miyazaki: "Everyone here is already infected." [2023/06/10 15:07:05] rhet0rica: The original timeline called for ARES alpha 1 to come out at the next @beacon meeting in 2 weeks' time. This projection was always a best-case scenario that assumed no development difficulties, no delays due to real-world concerns or work/life balance, and no niceties like persona files, voice schemes, or setup programs that would make the experience satisfying. [2023/06/10 15:07:56] rhet0rica: Instead of lowering the quality of the alpha, we would prefer to delay it two weeks, from June 24 to July 8. [2023/06/10 15:08:09] NF/3 PHASE-03: Totally fine [2023/06/10 15:08:18] Azshara Ayashi: That is perfectly understandable! [2023/06/10 15:08:22] dax/3 4NUB1S: We can wait [2023/06/10 15:08:23] iKitten 996-83-1343: Thats fine with me [2023/06/10 15:08:27] GH0ST 2.o: Mhm! [2023/06/10 15:08:34] AS/Officer Bunny: dont see that as an issue [2023/06/10 15:08:39] SX900 3E77Y: Better wait to have a full experience than rushing it [2023/06/10 15:08:47] Kaleida Miyazaki: Seems like a good way to spend more time developing and less addressing issues via non-lasting efforts. [2023/06/10 15:09:53] rhet0rica: Well, this is still alpha 1. There are scheduled dates for alpha 2 and 3 afterward, as well as beta 1 and 2, so the 'full experience' is still not likely to be really materialized until August or September. [2023/06/10 15:10:28] rhet0rica: That said, if things go smoothly we may end up making the release before July 8 anyway. [2023/06/10 15:10:31] SX900 3E77Y: I meant by full experience, less bugs [2023/06/10 15:10:40] SV a7heria: /me is very much a supporter of testing alphas and betas [2023/06/10 15:10:55] SX900 3E77Y: More functionnal [2023/06/10 15:11:31] rhet0rica: The big concern right now is making sure the structure is good and final. Just this morning, the way the filesystem is organized had to be changed to deal with memory concerns, and that change would have broken third-party programs. [2023/06/10 15:12:08] rhet0rica: Anyway! Next meeting will mark the 9th anniversary of NS on SL. [2023/06/10 15:12:21] Rika Kono: Gotta put some baloons up, then [2023/06/10 15:12:22] SV a7heria: /me applauds [2023/06/10 15:12:27] Rika Kono: Holographic baloons would fit best [2023/06/10 15:12:37] rhet0rica: And we will definitely set aside some time to talk about the company's early history. And the plans for the next sim remodel. [2023/06/10 15:13:36] SV a7heria: oooooh remodel? [2023/06/10 15:13:38] rhet0rica: As for Atheria's earlier question about @reset events, it is undecided. On one hand it would be very good to have frequent bug-tester meetings. On the other hand, it can result in a lot of redundant reports of known issues. [2023/06/10 15:13:49] rhet0rica: So these things need to be balanced. [2023/06/10 15:13:56] SV a7heria: i mean i bug test either way [2023/06/10 15:14:07] rhet0rica: Okay. That is all for today. Thank you all for coming, and we will see you on the 24th. [2023/06/10 15:14:16] rhet0rica: Thank you especially for your feedback on fonts and colors. [2023/06/10 15:14:16] Kaleida Miyazaki: Ganbatte. [2023/06/10 15:14:18] iKitten 996-83-1343: Thank you for the meeting, some pretty cool stuff :D [2023/06/10 15:14:22] SV a7heria: thank you for your time tam and t0ri ❤ [2023/06/10 15:14:24] SX900 3E77Y: Thank you for the meeting [2023/06/10 15:14:28] 4i/Dr. Anna Schulz: t̴̼han̰k ̂y̰̎ou for ăl̴l̚ ̶̼̖t͌ĥ͋͌͋e ̴i̴n̷fos [2023/06/10 15:14:29] NF/3 PHASE-03: Thanks! [2023/06/10 15:14:30] GH0ST 2.o: ❤ Yes, thank you! [2023/06/10 15:14:41] Serena: Goodbye, everyone. [2023/06/10 15:14:42] dax/3 4NUB1S: That was good, thank you.